Continued Use of Holy Women, Holy Men

It’s great to hear from people who have appreciated keeping the commemorations and reading the blog.

While the official period of trial use has concluded, you may continue to use the resource. Having gone through a full year, we have received comments on all of the commemorations and so have feedback that will inform the Calendar Committee and the Commission in our report to the July 2012 General Convention.

The online survey will be available until the end of August to receive additional comments on any commemoration. The survey is available in English and in Spanish.

Update, 9/15/11: The online survey is now closed.

You can purchase the book from Church Publishing. You can download the text in Spanish (Santas, Santos) and  in English from the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music page on the General Convention website.

Update: 9/15/11: Santas, Santoscontinues to be available on the General Convention website. You can access the English version through the Archives on this blog  – the commemorations were posted from July 2010 through June 2011.

The SCLM continues to receive comments through this blog.

Ruth Meyers

Chair, Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music

24 thoughts on “Continued Use of Holy Women, Holy Men

  1. After using the meditations and prayers provided, I was sufficiently pleased that I have ordered and received my own copy Of “Holy Women, Holy Men”. I was disappointed to find my copy did not have the picture illustrations. I would encourage their inclusion in future editions or at least a notation in ordering information that a given edition is not so illustrated. Thank you for the wonderful introduction to this tool to enrich our worship.
    In Christ, Sue Powers

  2. Obviously HWHM is worth keeping. The only question I have, or have heard, has to do with secular “heroes” in othe fields, scientists, social workers, etc. Do the belong in our Church calendar?

    • I am glad that there are the stories of non-clergy included in HWHM. Laity and clergy – we are the church. I am a social worker and a teacher. I believe that I am called to this work and that what I do in my life is a witness whether or not I am doing it in the name of a church. I am not allowed to work in the name of my church. But that does not preclude me from deliberately thinking and acting as a follower of Christ as I execute the duties of my job, and owning that I am Christian if the subject arises. “Teach me, my God and King, in all things Thee to see, and what I do in anything, to do it as for Thee.” By including people who are not ordained or professed religious, HWHM provides examples for all of us who are trying to follow Christ in our daily lives and work. “They were all of them saints of God, and I mean, God helping, to be one, too.” I appreciate all the help I can find, including inspiration from HWHM.

      • There is a difference between a lay person and someone who has no particular Christian credentials shoved into our calendar for the sake of a cause. John Mure and W.E.B> du Boise being two examples.

  3. I bought my copy of HWHM last year. Have greatly enjoyed the blog. Question: will the suggestions for improvements in wording, etc. made by bloggers be used in a later edition of HWHM? –About Leonel’s question about secular heroes and heroines in the Church calendar, of which there are many in HWHM: they were all included, I think, because they enhanced Christian mission as politicians, social workers, doctors and nurses, scientists, musicians, etc. but not necessarily as Christians per se. They weren’t operating in the name of Christ to spread the gospel of salvation. In a sense, however, they spread Christ’s kingdom on earth because they healed, helped government do what Christians believe government should do in many cases, , enhanced worship through their artistic and musical skills, etc. Leonel’s question is basically theological and a very good one. I don’t know the answer.

  4. Sorry for not having read Dr. Meyer’s comment below before asking my first question above:
    “This summer the Calendar Committee of the Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music is continuing its review of your comments and responses to the online survey. The committee is preparing recommendations for the commission to review at our October meeting, and a public report of those recommendations would come after that meeting.” Thanks to Dr. Meyer and all the members of the committee for listening to us. (Also for their work on this project).

  5. As an officer (Secretary) of thee Society of the Companions of the Holy Cross, I would like to support the letter of our Companion in Charge, Susan Butler, in her comments on the commemoration of one of our founders, Emily Morgan in Holy men and Holy Women.

  6. I was under the impression that trial use continued until GC 2012 when HWHM will either replace LFF or not. Do you mean the period of open comments?

    On the whole I have appreciated HWHM. I’m glad the PDF was released, and I’ve since ordered my own physical copy. I do have some reservations regarding some of those who were included who seemingly fail to satisfy the commissions own guidelines. I also hope some revision of the newer collects will take place, smoothing out some of the rough patches.

    • Yes, trial use continues until GC 2012. However, the period of open comments has concluded, so that the commission can prepare its report and recommendations to GC.

  7. Just a comment to say I am shocked and disappointed that today’s commemoration has nothing to do with the birhday of the blessed virgin Mary. This is the 8th of September and in many places throughout the Anglican Communion is a day celebrated by the Mothers’ Union with great rejoicing. I thought the Episcopal Church would try to be a bit more respectful of tradition especially on a day like this;.

  8. Underwhelmed with HWHM in general, but horrified to see that the commemoration of John Calvin doesn’t even acknowledge some of the darker parts of his biography and softens others: his participation in the judicial murder of Servetus and others, his legacy of destructive iconoclasm or the theology that goes by his name. Compare it to the commemoration of Archbishop Laud.

  9. Given your post on DuBois, it would be more inviting to continue posting on this Blog thru General Convention 2015 if your “final post” here invited us to continue instead of first time readers seeing “Update, 9/15/11: The online survey is now closed.”
    Thanks for your ministry and other SCLM members who are doggin’ our responses.

    • Thanks for your suggestion. The online survey is actually closed. However, the SCLM continues to receive feedback through this blog. I’ve updated the blog entry to make that clearer.

  10. The PDF version of HWHM seems to have disappeared from the website. Is this intentional, or was it accidentally removed?

    Michel, thanks for your post. Next time we need your full name. — Ed.

    • Hi Michel,

      Yes, the English version has been intentionally removed from the website. You can access commemorations through the archives of this blog, or purchase Holy Women, Holy Men from Church Publishing. The pdf was made available only during the active period of trial use, when the commission was soliciting feedback.

      The Spanish translation (Santas, Santos) is still posted on the commission’s documents page on the General Convention website – it’s about halfway down the list of documents.

      Ruth Meyers
      Chair, Standing Commission on Liturgy and Music

      • Like MIchel may have been, tonight I was trying to find an online version of HWHM. I thought I might use one of the collects for evening prayer next week. Alas, it doesn’t seem to exist online. I’m a layperson who occasionally leads Morning/Evening Prayer, so I’m never going to buy the print version for $45 — especially since it’s still just a “trial” version. Wish you had kept a version online for reference purposes.

  11. Doug Bowman, Grace Church, Hartford CT.
    I was very disappointed to read the leaflet included in my church’s program on Sunday, August 12, 2012.
    The leaflet sought to explain the upcoming Feast of St. Mary the Virgin (Assumption/Dormtition) of August 15th. It started by noting, “Mary, the Mother of Christ….”
    Our church has been torn apart by controversy, but regardless of our opinions, I think we are all saddened by the conflict. But we should all agree on the basics of our faith, the ancient Catholic and fully Orthodox faith enshrined in the creeds and historical documents of the church.
    To call Mary the Mother of Christ, is certainly to short change her. But more importantly, it confuses and potentially leads to errors pertaining to the person and natures of Jesus. Jesus, out Lord, ye, Savior, yes, and God, yes!
    The 3rd and 4th Ecumenical Councils were very clear that statements regarding Mary have profound impacts on our understanding and grasp of the Trinity and Christ. As such we affirm Mary as Theotokos (not Christotokas only).
    So at the very least, the leaflet missed a fantastic opportunity to explain our core beliefs: One God in Perfect Trinity, and Fully Divine and Fully Human Natures of Christ, without confusion or seperation.
    I’m sure the intentions were noble. But we shouldn’t dumb down our education to the least common denominator. If we are to proclaim Christ to the world, well, we need to know the essentials of that faith. And, I can’t imagine anything more essential, than the person and nature of the God we are called to worship.
    Thank you very much for your kind attention and consideration.

  12. I have prepared a very weak sermon on Cornelius Hill for delivery tomorrow morning at the Convent of Saint Mary here in Sewanee, TN. The writeup in HWHM has very little information on this man. What did he do that brings him to be included in the calendar? The information here needs badly to be beefed up if he is to remain. It appears now that he is a local Wisconsin hero about whom very little data is available. Surely there is some narrative about his career that justifies “many monuments” in his home state. My sermon is more about the Dawes Act than it is about someone who deserves to be honored for his service to Jesus Christ and the Church. Most of the names proposed for the calendar have good information for preaching and study, which is what makes the lack of information on Hill such a surprise.

    William Hethcock, Sewane, TN

  13. The Psalm appointed for Lillian Thrasher’s commemoration today 12/19 is listed as Psalm 10:12-19, but Psalm 10 has only 18 verses, and doesn’t seem thematically to fit with the other readings for the day.

    • HI Joshua,

      Thanks for noting this. Holy Women, Holy Men uses the numbering in the Psalter in The Book of Common Prayer. Sometimes that numbering differs from other versions of the Bible, and that is the case with Psalm 10. If you look in the BCP, you’ll see that Psalm 10 has 19 verses there.

      Ruth Meyers
      Chair, SCLM

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